i made this for deviant art its like super small but over the 15kb limit lol its over the 20kb limit for here to.

detailed gifs always take up more room, especialy if they're moving.

Cut the quality, remove frames, shorten time between frames, that's what i'd try to reduce it anyway

how many frames would you suggest removing?

the amount that brings it down enough and that you are happy with the amount of loss to the motion

heheh that kills the rainbow effect i played around with it why not just make the avatar limit 84kb? lol j/k

check this border out it looks like glass.

gr8 graphic thought how do u make it in to a moveing gif file i have tryed so mean time but failed to make it go right :'( because i have some good desightnes what would go grate as a gif i can save as a gif file in fireworks but still cant get the moveing part right Daniel8_9_3 7 u think u could show me how it is done plz thanx a lot from pacmanjnr

You can make image animations with Adobe ImageReady. I think that's what Daniel uses, or is it Fireworks?

he could have used flash it's a program what let's u make moveing pic's i found it out today it's a good program

well i used a combination of fireworks mx and paintshop pro 8 for both of them so you need both programs to do it, i did the hard or solid images in fireworks mx 2004, then i did the rest in paintshop pro 8 in the animation part of it.

whats adobe image ready? is it part of photoshop or something?

yeah, it's part of photoshop CS

thats what i figured.

thanx Daniel 9_3 for all your help u should try flash mediacenter for the moveing images it's good but it sposted to be hard to make i have made a few pic's flash thats about it

ImageReady is a cool program.. I've never used Paintshop or Fireworks so I don't know much about them.

fireworks kicks ass if you know how to use it.

yer i no it does but with the filter's i have i cant do much with it i have just got over 250 firlters for paint shop pro pitty i havent got the space on my computer to load them all up and what othyer type's of add on's are thay for fireworks i only have alinapro eye captcher and marbal look i want the grass fire water and the drip afecked