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 Google hijacking out of control |
 Mar 23 2005, 09:25 PM
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 Professional newbie  Group: Admin Posts: 7238 Joined: 8-October 03 From: in the backroom counting up your visitors Member No.: 4  |
google 302 redirect hijacking
QUOTE Like many webmasters I was a bit too relaxed about 302 hijacks, until I started digging into who was hijacking my pages and how could I remove them. I have now discovered that this problem is numerically out of control, with millions of 302s out there. And boy, am I angry. If you have a Dmoz link, check for 302s - obviously Google have to have indexed the page thats 302ing you, for it to be a problem. Maybe its my fault for having lots of Dmoz links! Surely not millions you say, but there are a number of scraper directories taking the DMOZ feed of 4 million sites and 302ing the lot. I have explored the depths of two such sites found here in my blog . I have no idea how many of these Dmoz fed, 302 scraper directories there are in the wild, but there has to be more than the two I detail. At 4 million 302s each, that is one hell of a lot of 302s google really really needs to sort this damned problem out, it's gone on for too damned long now. -------------------- Get Tough - Take photoshop by the horns - photoshop tutorials
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Mar 24 2005, 02:43 AM
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 I'm quite dull, really.  Group: whatcounter Posts: 1070 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Bristol, UK Member No.: 285 |
How exactly does this scam work Leo? I don't get how someone could use a 302 against you if its a link from dmoz to your site. Unless they get expried domains that are int eh dmoz directory or something and then 302 from them?
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Mar 24 2005, 07:44 AM
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 Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 76 Joined: 16-March 05 Member No.: 684 |
sorry please explain what is a 302?
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Mar 24 2005, 01:10 PM
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Professional newbie Group: Admin Posts: 7238 Joined: 8-October 03 From: in the backroom counting up your visitors Member No.: 4 |
ok, first off a 302 redirect is a temporary redirect, telling the search engine spider that the content is not at tha url temporarily and to keep spidering it.
how does a 302 redirect affect you? someone sets up a 302 redirect to your site, google spiders that url see the temporary redirect to your site,so it thinks that the other guys url with the redirect on is YOUR site, why? because the temporary redirect is telling google that your site is only there temporarily and therefore removes it from the index. So now when someone uses a search term that would have normally brought up your site will now bring up their site. -------------------- Get Tough - Take photoshop by the horns - photoshop tutorials
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Mar 24 2005, 02:04 PM
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I'm quite dull, really. Group: whatcounter Posts: 1070 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Bristol, UK Member No.: 285 |
Anyone want to 302 to amazon.com?
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Mar 24 2005, 09:07 PM
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Professional newbie Group: Admin Posts: 7238 Joined: 8-October 03 From: in the backroom counting up your visitors Member No.: 4 |
hehe, i'm sure amazon will most likely have several thousand already, it's us little guys who get hit hard!
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Mar 24 2005, 10:09 PM
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 Banned Group: Banned. Posts: 1491 Joined: 21-March 04 Member No.: 42 |
Actually, it is done with a simple META-REFRESH and it's purpose is to still a high ranking sites SERP...
CODE <html> <head> <title>Copied Title of the Hijacked Page</title> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=http://www.widget.com/"> <meta name="robots" content="follow, noindex"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> The 302 redirect comes later after hijackers page has been cached and your page is changed... Once any content on your page has been changed, a bug in the search engines replaces your site with the unchanged hijackers and thus your PR drops and they take your place... .....Willy |
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Mar 30 2005, 02:37 PM
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Full Member Group: Members Posts: 280 Joined: 29-March 04 From: UK - London/Essex Member No.: 54 |
Meta refresh doesnt have anything to do with Google hijacking - its done through the 302 and is very simple to do.
Many directories hijack sites with out knowing, directory scripts poorly put together use 302 redirects to redirect people. Happened to a few of my sites, I asked to be removed from their directory and the problem stopped. The hijacking has been around for a while, but only recently has hit the head lines a big way. Do you notice that it is only Google that has this problem, Yahoo, Ask and MSN all seem to have this under control! -------------------- UK search engine news
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Mar 30 2005, 05:29 PM
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Banned Group: Banned. Posts: 1491 Joined: 21-March 04 Member No.: 42 |
QUOTE(creative666 @ Mar 30 2005, 09:37 AM) Meta refresh doesnt have anything to do with Google hijacking - its done through the 302 and is very simple to do. Many directories hijack sites with out knowing, directory scripts poorly put together use 302 redirects to redirect people. Happened to a few of my sites, I asked to be removed from their directory and the problem stopped. The hijacking has been around for a while, but only recently has hit the head lines a big way. Do you notice that it is only Google that has this problem, Yahoo, Ask and MSN all seem to have this under control! [right][snapback]25509[/snapback][/right] I seriously doubt you have any experience in purposefully hijacking someone's page, nor why it is done... But I'll play along... You are right and I am wrong...  QUOTE(Willy Duitt @ Mar 24 2005, 05:09 PM) The 302 redirect comes later after hijackers page has been cached and your page is changed... .....Willy This post has been edited by Willy Duitt: Mar 30 2005, 05:29 PM |
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Mar 31 2005, 12:13 AM
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Full Member Group: whatcounter Posts: 274 Joined: 6-November 04 Member No.: 363 |
QUOTE I seriously doubt you have any experience in purposefully hijacking someone's page, nor why it is done... I as yet don't really understand the whole hijacking thing. If I get it right, it means that I could have a site of mine get all (of many of) the hits a competitor of mine would normally get. Or does it mean that I just disable a site of a competitor? Would I start this kind of actions of course. Maybe I'm a just a tad naïve, but I wouldn't engage in similar activities. But if ever someone would do something similar to me I'd like to know what I'm up against. -------------------- |
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Mar 31 2005, 08:55 AM
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Full Member Group: Members Posts: 280 Joined: 29-March 04 From: UK - London/Essex Member No.: 54 |
There are many threads out there talking about this topic, and many that go into great detail. The best ones are normally at threadwatch.
From everyones posts and the details I have read and seen on what takes place in a hijacking, I have only seen them mention the meta refresh once or twice as an alternative to a 302 (like a poor mans version of the hijack). There is a lengthy discussion at search engine watch where they test it out on a site... cant find the thread though. -------------------- UK search engine news
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Mar 31 2005, 01:14 PM
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Banned Group: Banned. Posts: 1491 Joined: 21-March 04 Member No.: 42 |
QUOTE(creative666 @ Mar 31 2005, 03:55 AM) There are many threads out there talking about this topic, and many that go into great detail. The best ones are normally at threadwatch. From everyones posts and the details I have read and seen on what takes place in a hijacking, I have only seen them mention the meta refresh once or twice as an alternative to a 302 (like a poor mans version of the hijack). There is a lengthy discussion at search engine watch where they test it out on a site... cant find the thread though. [right][snapback]25559[/snapback][/right] Try reading this whole thread... Perhaps several times... I'm sure you'll find some understanding once done... http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/25638-1-10.htm .....Willy |
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Mar 31 2005, 04:14 PM
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Full Member Group: Members Posts: 280 Joined: 29-March 04 From: UK - London/Essex Member No.: 54 |
Your right there Willy, strange that the thread at search engine watch in their examples there was no mention except in reference to the meta refresh being a large part of it or doing any of the work.
Perhaps there are two distinct ways of hijacking, 302 and Meta refresh - I certainly had a 302 redirect from a few directories to two of my sites and my site was knocked out, I emailed and they removed my site from their directory with in a few days and I bounced back. Cheers, Craig -------------------- UK search engine news
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Mar 31 2005, 04:20 PM
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Full Member Group: Members Posts: 280 Joined: 29-March 04 From: UK - London/Essex Member No.: 54 |
Just saw this at DaveN's blog, seems like he aint happy!
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Mar 31 2005, 04:37 PM
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Banned Group: Banned. Posts: 1491 Joined: 21-March 04 Member No.: 42 |
You are right that there are many poorly written cgi scripts that inadvertently hijack your page... But those inadvertant hijacks can easily be fixed by contacting the webmaster as you have indicated that you have done or use a 301 redirect to correct the problem yourself...
However, the situation is much different when someone purposefully sets out to hijack your page, your SERP and your PR either for monetary gain for pass thru ad revenue, or simply just to optimize their PR... .....Willy |
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